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Understanding boundary conditions for architectural simulation

Hi there,

I would really appreciate some help, since I have been struggling with this for a while now. I numbered the questions to make it easier to answer.

I am an architect and I am working on the simulation of the temperature conditions inside a big atrium. I chose a “Conjugate Heat Transfer v2.0” simulation because I wanted to take into account solar radiation while running the simulation, and with CHT v2.0 I could set a place and time for the sun more easily. 00_Is this ok? Should I use another type of simulation?

The main issue is that I am getting extremely strange (hot) results inside the atrium, tha temperature values I get when post-processing the simulation run are very high, and I think something must be really wrong, the thing is I can’t figure out what. I am aware that the simulation is taking place in summer (I chose a summer day in the “Solar Calculator”), but still the temperature values I get are very high.

I am guessing the problem must be about the boundary conditions I am choosing, so, if you don’t mind, I wanted to ask a few questions about it:

01_ About the solar calculator, is 600 W/m2 for the direct solar load and 100W/m2 for the diffuse solar load too much?
02_ About the external walls (boundary condition number 05 in the simulation), is it ok to choose “External wall heat flux”?
03_ If I effectively choose “External wall heat flux”, which I think is correct, what type of “Heat flux” sholud I choose?
04_ If I choose “Derived heat flux”, which I think is correct, WHAT VALUE SHOULD I USE AS “HEAT TRANSFER COEFFICIENT”? Is this the same as “U”? I think this is the main issue, as I really don’t know what the heat transfer coefficient means, or where to get the heat transfer coefficient for a material like concrete or glass.
05_ Why is there another section inside wall boundary conditions called “Conductivity thickness pairs”, what does this mean?

Here is the link to the project I am working on:

https://www.simscale.com/workbench/?pid=5866150900642858974&mi=spec%3A25b05a70-f45a-422c-bce1-48efbb805b9a%2Cservice%3ASIMULATION%2Cstrategy%3A27

Here are screenshots of the boundary conditions I used for glass and external walls (you can see all of the other boundary conditions I used in the model):


Thank you very much in advance,

Juan

Dear Juan,

  1. Did you read this? : How to Set the Right Thermal Wall Conditions in CHT | SimScale
  2. Before doing this simulation, I strongly advise carrying out a non-dimensional mass and energy balance study. What is the expected temperature at the outlet?
  3. I think the residuals are a bit too high. I am not sure the simulation is converged enough. But before going through this, it is important to perform the energy balance.
  4. If you have a natural convection outlet (Natural Convection Inlet/Outlet | Boundary Conditions | SimScale) you are freely allowing the fluid to enter or leave the domain. I think this condition is not working as you do not have set a physical outlet. As you only have one inlet, I suggest you use a zeroGradient outlet boundary. This should make the solution work fluid-wise.
  5. Take a look at the velocity boundary field. Do you think it is realistic?
    . Clearly, this confirms what is stated in #4.
  6. Before moving into a CHT, carry out a cold-flow analysis and verify your mesh and your boundaries are working well.

So make at least #2 and especially #4 and let me know what happens.

I hope this helps,

Jairo