Impossible to achieve Y+ below 10, F1 2022 Prototype Study

Hi,

I am studying and understanding the 3D-shaped floor of the new F1 and the effect in downforce for my degree final project. My intention is to perform an initial simulation with a F1 car prototype that I already have, note the aerodynamic coefficients and make a simple study so that later I can modify the floor in different ways to see the effect in the Cl and Cd in relation to the base model.

I am currently experiencing problems with the value of the Y+, my teacher of Fluid Mechanics told me that I need an Y+ value ideally below 10 as I am using wall functions and the K-omega SST model. I read the topics posted in this forum about the Y+ and used the simple equation of the Y+ to estimate the first layer thickness, then using the inflate boundary layer tool I performed simulations to check the y+ value.

As I was wasting a lot of core hours I reduced the mesh quality to this: (not sure if it’s enough).
The car is approximately 5 m long and 2 m wide, until I have set all the parameters I am performing the simulations with one side of the car and symmetry wall function on that wall.





For the rest of the mesh, I put a 6 in the slider finesse.

For the first run I went with this inflation settings, boundary conditions and steady simulation:


Y+ results (266 iterations)
Here the results:

2nd run:

In this case I run an entirely simulation (1000 steps):

For the next simulation I decided to put different inflation values according to the areas with the higher y+. For the wheels, front wing, wheel struts, side pots, moving wall and underfloor I used the same inflation settings with a thickness of 5x10-6 m, for the rest of the car 7x10-6 m.

The results: (600 iterations)

Note: Each time I have done a new mesh I had accidently overwitted the older one, so you are not able to see the mesh settings, the values come from my personal notes.
Almost all the body has a y+ higher than 10 in all the runs. All the simulations are steady.
The point here is that I don’t see a clear reduction in the y+ parameter even thought I have considerably reduced the first layer thickness, I must be doing something wrong, any tips, suggestions or help is appreciated.

Thanks

Hi!

Perhaps these articles can help:

Notice that, for wall functions, the y+ value should be higher than 30, to be located in the log-law region.

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Hi,

Thanks for your reply, my teacher was pretty clear with the idea that for the K-w sst model the y+ should be less than 10 and more than 1, when I told him that in the simscales forums it was said that for wall functions the y+ should be greater than 30, he said insistently that this is for k-epsilon model, should I tell him that for all models with wall functions the y+ should be greater than 30, despite using the k-w sst model ?

Thanks

Hi, thanks for the come back, this discussions are great!

Maybe I have a wrong concept here as your teacher indicates. I will research and come back with my findings.