SimScale CAE Forum

Y+=30 mesh giving different results?

Hi!
My current project consists of comparing meshes with different y+ values (no layer mesh, y+=1 and y+=30) . All meshes were generated on the same aerofoil model and have identical settings and refinements. Here are some examples (shout-out to DaleKramer for the wonderful histogram program):

No layer mesh:

5 layer, y+=1 mesh:

Another 5 layer, y+=1 mesh but this one ended up closer to y+= 3:

EDIT: here’s another 5 layer mesh, y+ less then 1:

8 layer, y+=1 mesh (not the best mesh, could be improved):

1 layer, y+=30 mesh (problematic one!):

I’ve made multiple meshes with different layer thicknesses for each case and showed only the best ones above. 5/5 1 layer y+=30 meshes showed the same low speed area below the aerofoil.
My question is why is there a dramatic difference between the 1 layer mesh and all the other meshes? Is it the problem with the mesh? Would it improve if even more cells had y+ above 30?

link to the project: https://www.simscale.com/projects/kpesic045/krilo/

Thank you!

@CFD-SQUAD, can you help our user here?

Also @DaleKramer, maybe the user can use your program for his investigations? Not sure if that’s the interface already :smiley:

Best,

Jousef

Yes, I believe those cells with y+ < 20 are the culprit…

Here is my statement from my 1 layer testing project:

I think you have a ways to go to get <0.5% of the cells outside the 20-300 range… and to have the average yPlus at 100…

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Thank you for the reply! I’ll work on getting that 99.5% although it sounds pretty intimidating.

Just one final question if I may: if I had limited resources (CPUh, number of cores…) and thus had to give up on y+=1 and y+<1 meshes because they require a lot more cells, and couldn’t achieve that 99.5% with a y+ above 20, am I correct thinking that it would be better to go with a mesh without any layers? Because an incorrect y+=30 mesh gives such dramatically incorrect results.

I suspect that your problem low yPlus values for the 1 layer mesh is near that small radius leading edge and that they are causing the issues. Do a yPlus surface mapping and see where those low yPlus faces are. If I am correct, then try to split the surface near the sharp LE and then adjust the layer parameters in just that section to get the yPlus vales lower there…

Just a thought…